Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog Review
This can be seen as very much a review of Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store, based on my experiences with the single entity claiming to be many. Interestingly enough, politics in Used Panties Land share a striking similarity to more…worldly happenings. Keep in mind while reading this that the Administration of Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store and I are of a different mindset. I value liberation, personal freedom, and true honesty, while they seem to weigh strongly toward policing and eliminating anything opposing thought or by any means they can accomplish–making it all look so….nice, welcoming, …’right’ on the surface all the while. “They” refers to those whose interests are ultimately being served by the whole charade–the Administration. These three (main) sites are formatted to serve one another. It’s not all about rainbows, butterflies, and great intentions; it’s about money, control, and power.
Read on…for a fraction of (only) my story in regards to Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store.
Newbie Me and Panty Trust
I literally was fresh to the scene, going through the Panty Trust seller review process in 2008, and a man named Sean wes already telling me what I could and could not do, and who I was. Sean said that Panty Trust had spies at the now defunct My Panty Store (which, at the time, was very stiff competition for the budding My Used Panty Store) who had seen me selling there, and that I had to promise to never go back or I would be rejected because “everyone there was a fraud.”
It was not me–someone else owned my domain prior to me getting it–and between being told what to do and who I was (I never actually was asked), indirectly categorized as a fraud (by supposed association) and the cheese-dangling, power-consumed way that they communicated with me in general, I’d had enough! I banned myself because I would not stand for being bullied by Panty Trust.
I know now that checking for domain transfers is an elementary task, yet it interestingly was not a part of what Panty Trust claims to be “the most rigorous verification process.”
Looking back, I am glad that I never paid Panty Trust $50 to sniff my panties and dictate where I could go and who I have permission to associate with. I had no idea then that, in the scheme of things, third party verifications are meaningless, and that sellers can do a better job verifying that they are legitimate themselves! Panty Trust does a VERY good job at making (‘new’) panty sellers think that they are a necessity–selectively marketing toward the unsuspecting and (I say this gently, because I was too) the ignorant.
A Threat to My Used Panty Store?
I then registered at My Used Panty Store, not knowing that they are one in the same as Panty Trust, and began posting on the My Used Panty Store forum. I noticed a definite urge by the Admin. and moderators for sellers to become Panty Trust verified. I made a little “I provide used panties video verification” banner and put it in my My Used Panty Store forum signature. At one time there were two sellers on the forum who were seeking sponsorship for their Panty Trust verification, and I messaged them sharing that …all that they needed was a webcam. Well, admin was looking at me closely and banned me for spamming when I was trying to empower others.
Panty Hog: Do I Know You, PK?
THEN, not knowing Panty Hog (Used Panty Portal) was owned by the same people as pantyrust.com and myusedpantystore.com, I tried signing up as a member there. I was fiddling around with my Panty Hog profile and I selected something about reciprocal links, which I knew nothing about at the time (there were none on my site). After having been on there for only 45 minutes, I get an e-mail from Panty Hog Administrator “Panty King” (PK) stating that my account had been deleted because there was no reciprocal link on my site….and something about me being a liar… That confused me. So far as I knew at that time I had just met the person.
So, why all of the Banter Now, After Two Years?
I have seen a lot happen on the web in regards to this entity. What initiated this post was not my own experience with them–but witnessing one event in particular: the (self-proclaimed Queen-of-Effing-Everything) Serena of Serenassecret.net laying into a newbie, so viciously, …
…for naming her panty page a “Boutique” (as Serena had on serenassecret.net) and posting a picture on her blog which read “better than panty trust verified.” Those were Chloe’s crimes. Serena continued to verbally ream her, posted her IP. This is how I first became aware of Serena. Someone (part of the Gladiator game crowd?) retweeted her boastful blurb about how Chloe was “no more.”
That’s a lovely show of character, yes?…middle finger-flinging, My Used Panty Store Manager, Panty Hog Columnist, Panty Trust Board Director– basically a minion for the entity which boasts their commitment to TRANSPARENCY (!), SAFETY, INTEGRITY, FAIR BUSINESS PRACTICE, PEER ASSISTANCE, “The Best…” “Most Enjoyable…”
…rainbows, butterflies, awwww….
This Utopian Empire, in my experience and observations, plays so disturbingly heavily on human emotion to satisfy their need for power…and money–in a variety of ways. They’ve been around awile
I like Panty Trust’s quotes the best–especially when they are isolated from the rest of their propaganda.
“When you purchase from a seller who is not Panty Trust Verified, there is a 50% chance that you are dealing with a…(dark, glo-o-o-o-o-my music)fraud.”
That, and other propaganda, …is probably geared primarily toward sellers, who pretty much give Panty Trust consent to govern them by becoming a member.
These happenings made me realize that ladies might benefit from having another voice on the scene, and I launched my Used Panty Selling Advice website, in November of 2010. It was developed with the intent of it being a service to the entire used panty selling industry, but without any attempt to manipulate people into a select ‘community’ within it–to promote liberation.
Serena took that personally.
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2011 update: Panty Trust Board Director Posts My Name, Manager Bill INVITES ME TO JOIN, Adds Me to the ‘Banned People’ List
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Please bear in mind that this is about the time that Serena transformed into a ‘Domme’–or a “Madame.” Yes, she had been selling used panties for five years before she picked up her needles, black costumes, and dark make up. The only reason that this really matters is that…she seems to indicate every so often that she’s been one since she made her debut online in 2006.
The dawn of 2011 brought Serena’s illegal use of personal information obtained during my Panty Trust verification process. It was a result of Bill, Panty Trust Manager, e-mailing me in attempt to ‘mediate’ a situation that was “getting out of control” that I learned Serena had posted my name on one of a few bashing blog that’s reserved only for those who seem to be the biggest threat to Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog. The site’s been online since 2006.
So, Bill, within many e-mail exchanges back and forth, was basically trying to muscle me into deleting things that I had written, this post, in exchange for the consortium deleting things such as the post where Serena posted my personal information. He also explained that in order for Serena to face any consequences, ‘someone’ (?) would have to bring the issue to the Panty Trust Board in order to address it, and any action taken would have to be voted upon.
At some point in the conversation, I was invited to join Panty Trust. I know, it’s…whacky in a way. But, there were likely other motives in he midst of this heated conversation. It ended when did not cave into all of Bill’s requests (it came down to deleting this post), which sent him stomping off …”you must be happy with the status quo.” No, I am just not…needing to be told what the (bleep) to do, STILL.
My energy, site, essence, will never be used to serve Panty Trust’s interests.
This was not the only time that they have gone so far as to use the leverage of delving into someone’s personal life in attempt to make them DOCILE.
This was not the only time that they have tried to envelope and utilize for their own purposes what they view to be competition worth exploiting, with a little forceful manipulation.
In the earlier months of the year, literally dozens of spam sites cropped up on the internet. Most had url’s and content relating to the term ‘used panty selling advice’–linking to Panty Hog, Panty Trust, and My Used Panty Store–while reporting UsedPantiesSellingAdvice.com was run by a scammer–a copycat.
Other odd sites cropped up, some are still online in some form. BestUsedPanties.net (there was a duplicate .co.cc version), Panty Wiki, Panty Life, to name a few. They too somehow seemed to be shrouded with information and links to…, you guessed it….
Now, of course, I am not saying that Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog had anything to do with this. It’s a mystery. If anyone wants to help solve it, I have …probably hundreds of screenshots to share with you.
In July, Serena announced a farewell to the panty fetish scene, seeming to leave behind her panty site which featured the reporting of alleged scams, liars, frauds–all of those nasty things–and retirement from being My Used Panty Store Manager, Panty Hog Columnist, Panty Trust Board Director. All of the tasks that she’d been responsible for were divided up amongst a newly-devised volunteer group, many of which were new to the scene themselves.
Before she left, though, she made sure to motion as the Panty Trust Board Director for members to not be allowed to exchange links with me, or really communicate with me whatsoever. This was made public for members to vote against, and when there was no opposition her proposal, it became part of their codes of conduct.
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2012 update: Serena Returns, Panty Trust Recruits Sellers, Claims They are Taking Legal Action
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Things were calm for quite a while, then…the same old shenanigans started happening again. Another thing that they like to threaten with or use as leverage is anything involving the word “legal.” Oddly, Serena, a panty seller, said many times that she had a “legal team.”
If you a re interested in reading an entire story on this, then see the Panty Trust Recruiting and Legal Action post.
It does make sense, though, that Serena would move for Panty Trust sellers not to be able to link to me before she, ahem, left.
Yup, sellers who might be thinking of becoming Panty Trust verified, they feel obligated (for safety and protection, moral and ethical purposes, of course) to tell you what you can do on your own site–all with “your best interests in mind.” They will also tell you who you cannot have buy from you.
It would also make sense for Serena to stick around in the background (tweak a site or two (or, gosh, how many?), do a tweet or two…), while efforts are being made for Panty Trust to look more like a 100% volunteer (plural) run organization–for other sellers to take the stage, and for the thought of there actually being leaders (and legal owners) to dissipate. After all, wise (and often effective) rulers…don’t let people know that they are being led. Most notably, it would behoove them to make me look like an enemy of the newly-formed volunteer group by being so outspoken against the entity,…
…for Panty Trust sellers (especially the newly-formed group of hard-working volunteers) to take what I say about the ADMINISTRATIVE CHARADE personally,….
All of the new volunteers were female. A new seller was outwardly allocated the task of receiving worn items, most notably. Where did the men, such as Sean and Bill, go?
Serena also officially announced that she was back as a Panty Trust volunteer, offering her skills at mediation and conflict/resolution sorts of things.
Recent developments: Panty Trust Birthday and…Rejoicing
Panty King decided to blog on Panty Hog a wee bit about how the three sites were not affiliated, most notably Panty Trust and My Used Panty Store because WOW could that be seen as a conflict of interest. But, then, things got thrown out there like this:
Oopsie!
Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store Admin., you folks make it all look so pretty, I do have to admit. In a way I admire the work, time and thought that you’ve put into this, the strategies used–very calculated.
I suppose, for now, that the end of the review is this: everyone has the right to go wherever they want (well, unless they get Panty Trust verified) and promote whatever cause they desire (well, unless they are Panty Trust verified) but shady administrative tactics have been going on for years–mostly behind the scenes and from multiple conjured-up blog authors and other characters. Some know what’s going on, but choose to ignore it so as not to go against the status quo, or just don’t relate it to the group of sweet (mostly new, unsuspecting) gals that they have become close to, and supported by. The dirty work mostly gets done in the background while the unsuspecting feed into the system–some of which are going so far as to devote their energy, image, and time to promoting/supporting and recruiting for a tyrannical system of suppression and containment.
That really is similar to…other worldly happenings.
I love this article. I have been selling panties now for just over a year and have had nothing but problems with MUPS, Panty Trust, and Panty Hog….which are all owned and operated by the same people by the way. I think it’s pretty amusing that they tried to tell you about another site being fraudulent period. The fact of the matter is…My Used Panty Store is the biggest Fraud of them all. Want Proof? Go to myusedpantystore.com. Next Click on the “Stores” tab. Go to the last page of stores listed…I believe it’s page 4. Click where it reads “(seller’s) Store is now closed.” On this screen there’s a bar of blue buttons. The far right button reads “view reputation.” Click on that button. Bare with me, we’re almost there. Scroll to the bottom of the screen, and click on page 6. Here there is feedback listed from (sellers) first panty sales. You’ll notice that they’re all left from a zero feedback buyer who is no longer registered. You’ll also notice that the auction ID number is identical on all of them…that’s because these auctions never existed. (seller), (seller), and (seller) all have this feedback for there first few auctions, and all left from the same buyer. When My Used Panty Store first started, they were not successful at all….Hell they’re still not successful. No one actually sells anything on their site. Because of this, these three users, who are also the founders and moderators of the site, made up a bogus buyer just to fluff their feedback to try and make it look like the site was successful. With their reputations based on lies, people actually started buying from them and leaving real feedback. When they felt that the site was getting enough attention, they started charging an annual fee to all users and charging all kinds of fees for the auctions. Now they do everything they can to prevent people from advertising their own outside sites and constantly harass all of the sellers for breaking their ridiculous policies…which they change almost every day by the way. I am now doing the best I can to advertise my site outside of MUPS so that I can just cancel my membership there all together. I have chatted with hundreds of buyers on MUPS and they all hate it. Each of them says the same thing…”I’m here to find sellers and then try and do transactions outside of MUPS.” Looks like that’s why we’re all there. I have faith that soon enough MUPS will discredit themselves and flop, just like they deserve to.
Somehow I knew this type of information would surface. I hope that you don’t mind me making a separate blog post out of this, and if you do then I will remove it.
It’s looking like it evolved into a used panties dystopia.
I don’t mind at all.
Thanks! I see that this did take a little courage, now that I really look at the entire picture.
I tried joining the pantie community through panty trust and panty hog first and they were bullies and so I left. Never went to my used panty store. I sell on craiglst now and my customers are local and get them fresh. How much more verified can that be.
Hi, may I ask how you are able to sell them on Cragslist? Do you post them in the clothing section or the personals section? And how do you get your panties to your customers considering it’s not a safe world out there?
I’ve had troubles with them and certain sellers on those sites. I was bullied, and had very few sales at all, yet everyone was claiming to be selling panties like they were going out of fashion.
So I basically started undercutting everyones prices, and telling everyone that I was doing really well (even though I wasn’t) and they called me a fraud and liar and banned me from all their sites.
Thank you for being one of the few who publicly come forth. I see that the last Dino review from Panty Hog was a positive one, and even predicted the controversy that you mention.
I have had a few e-mails from sellers still affiliated who would love to do so, but…just don’t.
As you probably know my site appears as a spam site on (seller’s) web site.
How it happened. I Recive an e-mail from a \” buyer\”. 3 panties pictures were attached to the message, I tried to answer,I attached 2 pics and tell the buyer to visite my web site but the e-mail was sent to all my Contacts. from my adress book . (seller) adress and the paypal service adress were among my contacts. (seller’s) address was one of my contacts because I asked her how much i will have to pay for some help to my web site (Answer: I charge $ 20 per hour…So between $ 500 and $ 1,500). Ok Thank you, to much for me She first posted my site on Panty Hog forum but after speaking with the admin from Panty hog the post was deleted. After I tried to contact (seller) and ask her to delete the post from her web site . I explained what happened and I said : I\’m not crazy to send a message to paypal and tell them to visit my web site. I sent a dozen messages and left a dozen comments on that post but did not receive a response and no comments have been approved. But eventually she did something…after I told her about the paypal address she uploaded a picture to show what good detective she is.
Now i just I want to know how some admin from this community managed to to change her opinion from very bad to the best site. I tray for almost a month to do that but the my site is still there and my comments for that article are not approved.
It’s nice to see people starting to get the courage to speak out, generally, and thank you for taking the time to do so.
Would you mind explaining that a little more?
Hi there. First off, I’m so happy that you posted this. I just decided yesterday that I wanted to do this too but I was so lost as to HOW TO DO IT. I signed up for MUPS but I’m SOOOOOO happy that I read your blog before I paid their annual fees. Have you found a better solution to selling your panties?
I thought about using Craigslist but I’m concerned about a few things. 1. How do I get it to them being that they might see my face and maybe follow me in my car somehow. 2. How would they pay? PayPal? lmao. 3. Is it safe?
Kudos to you again.
Hi, Strawberry. Don’t laugh that off; the more the merrier to show off!
I have a(nother) domain secured and would be happy to have yours be the very first inquiry answered on my next blog website. In the meantime, please check your inbox. 
I have an inkling that whatever it is I am doing might be working out well. If not, then…I am still gaining knowledge!
I too was bullied by “Pantytrust” and I have nothing good to say about them. I have not ever been a member, nor would I apply to be one. When I posted on a private message board about their fear-mongering tactics I was harassed and attacked by representatives from the site. They are unprofessional bullies out to make money from and take advantage of women who are involved in a sex-related business. We have another word for that– PIMP.
Thanks for posting your experience, Sarah. It’s quite the abyss to stare into for so long. What we as dirty panty sellers can do is offer used panty verification of our own, cutting out the middle man, and further emphasizing our personal connection with our patrons by doing so.
Yes, no verification method is 100% guaranteed, but there are better ways to do it than what Pantytrust offers, and they insult the intelligence of both buyers and sellers with their fearmongering tactics and bullying. It’s so not positive behavior and it’s really sad.
Buyers: do you really want your money going to some smelly, dishonest pimpish guy somewhere or do you want to be helping out hot college girls like me and my friends?
Think about it…
One thing to maybe remember is that no one is forcing anyone to do anything, and aspiring or new used panty sellers may not know that there are other alternatives.
Despite what their intent and motives might be, or how they might treat other people, we can offer something to buyers that a third party cannot. With the used panties video verification buyers get to see each pair of panties coming off of the seller’s body, being wrapped, then packaged. That visual, especially with a hand-written note included, is a strong point of reference for buyers when each parcel does arrive. It is…another option, that is free, and a seller can do it …independently.
I am a bona fide panty poet these days.
I see that you are just starting out. If you would like some assistance then please stop by my new selling used panties advice website and feel free to ask questions.
I know he wasn’t forcing anyone to sign up… yet, but they were maligning anyone who didn’t do it by implying most used panty sellers were fake.
That’s what i meant by fear-mongering.
Yeah, thanks for the tip… my friends and I (we are all doing the site together) have seen the how to site from you. We’ve actually been around for about a year on ebanned.com but we haven’t really put much effort into our site until recently.
I see what you mean by fear-mongering, but how do we know if he is really smelly?
I have seen the pack gain up on people, too. Oh, and I have been one of them. It is like a cloud hovering over anything that mentions used panties. The more you speak up or do, the more personalities seem to appear.
If you don`t mind me asking, what do you do to address the topic of legitimacy as a used panty seller?
How is ebanned working out for you? I have not been there for a while. Did you ever try posting your used panties for sale at My Used Panty Store?
My christmas wish for you is for a horrible and painful cancer to run rampent through your body.
Sherry,
I was shocked to stumble upon such a foul sentiment on my friend Amber’s blog. Your Christmas wish come true would wash over me: An ocean of sadness and grief…
My Christmas wish for you is a long, happy and prosperous life; lived in kindness.
Amber -
Was informed about your tweets/page through a very good friend, and you’re very much spot on. I’ve been buying worn panties for almost 5 years now, and those same people are partly responsible for Mypantystore coming to an end. Panty Hog might of been around much longer than Mypantystore, but The Hog,e-banned, and MUPS were never as popular as Mypantystore, and that sturck a chord with quite a few people we both know. Serena is probably the biggest “blowhard” this lifestyle has ever seen. The last thing any new seller or buyer should do, is listen to that train wreck. Panty trust has been a waste of money from day 1, and and I laugh at those who pay others money to verify themselves. Common sense is severely lacking in this lifestyle, and in turn this lifestyle has taken a turn for the worst over the years. Panty trust also doesn’t tell you about the girls who lost their seal because they “ripped off” buyers in the past. So much for the trust eh? lol Lastly, the biggest problem with MUPS and Panty Hog was their lack of proper administration. They would would ban users over silly issues, but yet let a known Pedophile grace their website and accept his money with no repercussions. That should speak volumes about what type of people these are. You’re a better person for seeing through these people and paving your own way in this lifestyle. Good for you!
Thank you for taking the time to type out such a detailed personal response and your input on a little bit of industry history, Ozone. In truth, though…I guess that I could have been seen as lacking common sense there in the beginning, which is how I even ended up almost sending $50, panties, and giving all of my personal information to Panty Trust. While I am shifting gears in terms of my approach to this, I know that no matter what I do they will always be attempting to threaten and discredit me.
I am almost certain that they have not yet revealed how far they will go, but, to be fair, I guess that remains to be seen. I hope that they realize…it will only make them…uglier and less likely to make money.
All I know is, I don’t want lace in your face–or any of the sites I own now or in the future–to feature negative energy. I feel that I owe the industry, and myself, more than spewing such things. I am evolving in a personal sense and as odd as it may seem, this specific situation has helped me work out things out in other areas of my life.
To be honest, this lifestyle needs a “serious” makeover as the negative energy and dishonesty has taken over for some time. It’s a shame when a new seller gets involved in this lifestyle, that she only has a few options to turn to, and imo those places are very stale and don’t have the community feel as I once got the luxury to experience some time ago. Since those days I and many others were fortunate to see the wonderful side of this lifestyle and It saddens me that the fresh new faces will never get to experience that. When I first got into buying worn panties, the ladies in this lifestyle back then were in it for all the right reasons. Sadly today, I don’t feel that way anymore, because I know what it use to be like, and the feeling was awesome! Maybe one day I’ll take the time to get into websites and start my own community, because I honestly believe new people coming into this lifestyle should experience what I and many others back in the day experienced and that is no personal agenda’s and be welcomed with open arms. It’s nice to see people like yourself who take this lifestyle serious and try to make others around you enjoy it as well.
In my humble opinion, it might be hard to duplicate an era past–to expect the same feelings and interactions from something that may no longer exist. I see ‘community’ as being a result of (and defined by) the personal needs, desires, and intentions of the individuals that compose it. Try as someone organizing a new social place may, I am not sure it can be seen as anything other than this…without policing according the the organizers’ needs, desires, and intentions. I feel certain that the industry could use less policing! I feel that it needs freedom, but, those are just my feelings and thoughts.
But, on the flipside, maybe something similar to former spirit of the industry you mention does exist, and I guess there would only be one way to find out!
“Things that accord in tone vibrate together. Things having affinity in their inmost nature seek one another. Clouds follow the dragon. Wind follows the tiger.- Taoist”