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Panty Trust Recruiting & Legal Action?

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February 22, 2012

Panty Trust won’t reveal that they want control over seller’s sites until they have paid membership fees. One seller listed in my directory found that out in such an interesting way! Panty Trust politics have not been posted on my site for some time out of respect for those who read my used panties blog, but this story…is just something that I feel I need to highlight, briefly, as it goes a little beyond control of Panty Trust verified seller’s sites and is quite calculated! For a longer, drawn out history please refer to my Panty Trust Review.

Back in June of last year, Serena, then the outwardly active Board Director for Panty Trust (who announced shortly thereafter that she was leaving the used panty scene–obviously not true!), decided to motion for an addendum to the Panty Trust codes which entailed members not being allowed to link to my site from their own. Now, it’s advertised that all members vote for motions to become one of their little laws, but…this was simply not the case. No one said anything against what the leader had motioned for, even though there were members who were (and still are) uncomfortable with it, and it became part of their codes. …nice democratic process, yes?

So, recently a seller from the Buy Used Panties portion of my site joined Panty Trust–but not by seeking them out herself! She was e-mailed with a notification that her verification fees had been paid by an anonymous source…so she figured that there would be no harm in giving it a try. Yes, she was invited/recruited by Panty Trust. She also had no clue of my history with Panty Trust because it’s just not something that I make a point of bitching about to individual sellers. It took a whopping 2 days for hundreds of supposed members to vote her in–as they claim their verification process entails. How and why hundreds of members are so diligent about checking e-mails and can learn about someone enough to be comfortable with them IN TWO DAYS is beyond me! HA!

After the verification process was finished, she gets a notification e-mail:

“IMPORTANT: Last week, Panty Trust made a statement concerning an individual whom the Organization is pursuing via legal means, please read this on our ‘Banned People’ Thread on the members only forum. This concerns you directly as you are currently advertising this person on your website”

There she discovered that: 1)Panty Trust wants control over her site, and 2) Panty Trust does not allow linking to me. There’s more than just me in the ‘banned people’ list, some of which are buyers. She, like any other interested party, was not aware that this sort of thing would happen to her because, for some reason, Panty Trust does not make the information available until after ladies become members.

After the notification message the seller gets sent an e-mail welcoming her to the ‘club’ but they told her specifically that “the girl you’re going with can’t get in.”

Upon further reading the member forum she discovers claims that Panty Trust is in the process of taking ‘legal measures’ against me, in particular–yet they will not explain why. This is interesting, considering that the lot has a history of devoting entire portions of personal websites, and creating entirely new ones, solely for the purpose of going on and on about the evils of things not Panty Trust, and how the entity is such a savoir to the ‘community’.

(The post is now deleted from the Used Panties Bad Apples Wall of Shame Blogger site, and this is where Serena posted my first and last name, for those who’ve read my review)

Just as a side note, the post goes into how they started, but might have failed to mention that adding their specific policing strategies to the auction site is what they allegedly wanted Admin of the auction site to do. When they refused to let the pre-Panty Trust police control their auction site…they seemed to have retaliated, basically, and this blog’s probably one byproduct of that. Since day one, Panty Trust has been trying to control what happens on other sites, it really seems–and I really, really suspect that the current pool of new ‘volunteers’ (who get reimbursed for their time, so they announced) have no clue what goes on behind the scenes from Admin–that entity being portrayed as absent from the ‘non-profit organization’….

OH BUT WAIT! The post is back, completely re-written! HA!

Geeeez…. There’s a link to the blog in the sidebar ——> under “Scam, Liar, Cheat, Thief” …if anyone’s really interested in seeing it. This site and usedpantysellingadvice.com’s proudly featured there, too.

So, I side stepped there for a bit but yep, ‘invites’ and ‘legal measures’…are quite an interesting twist! Let me know which court to make an appearance at, Panty Trust, and I’ll be there!

…so much for being brief….

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Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog Review

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July 7, 2010

This can be seen as very much a review of Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store, based on my experiences with the single entity claiming to be many. Interestingly enough, politics in Used Panties Land share a striking similarity to more…worldly happenings. Keep in mind while reading this that the Administration of Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store and I are of a different mindset. I value liberation, personal freedom, and true honesty, while they seem to weigh strongly toward policing and eliminating anything opposing thought or by any means they can accomplish–making it all look so….nice, welcoming, …’right’ on the surface all the while. “They” refers to those whose interests are ultimately being served by the whole charade–the Administration. These three (main) sites are formatted to serve one another. It’s not all about rainbows, butterflies, and great intentions; it’s about money, control, and power.

Read on…for a fraction of (only) my story in regards to Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store.

Newbie Me and Panty Trust

I literally was fresh to the scene, going through the Panty Trust seller review process in 2008, and a man named Sean wes already telling me what I could and could not do, and who I was. Sean said that Panty Trust had spies at the now defunct My Panty Store (which, at the time, was very stiff competition for the budding My Used Panty Store) who had seen me selling there, and that I had to promise to never go back or I would be rejected because “everyone there was a fraud.”

It was not me–someone else owned my domain prior to me getting it–and between being told what to do and who I was (I never actually was asked), indirectly categorized as a fraud (by supposed association) and the cheese-dangling, power-consumed way that they communicated with me in general, I’d had enough! I banned myself because I would not stand for being bullied by Panty Trust.

I know now that checking for domain transfers is an elementary task, yet it interestingly was not a part of what Panty Trust claims to be “the most rigorous verification process.”

Looking back, I am glad that I never paid Panty Trust $50 to sniff my panties and dictate where I could go and who I have permission to associate with. I had no idea then that, in the scheme of things, third party verifications are meaningless, and that sellers can do a better job verifying that they are legitimate themselves! Panty Trust does a VERY good job at making (‘new’) panty sellers think that they are a necessity–selectively marketing toward the unsuspecting and (I say this gently, because I was too) the ignorant.

A Threat to My Used Panty Store?

I then registered at My Used Panty Store, not knowing that they are one in the same as Panty Trust, and began posting on the My Used Panty Store forum. I noticed a definite urge by the Admin. and moderators for sellers to become Panty Trust verified. I made a little “I provide used panties video verification” banner and put it in my My Used Panty Store forum signature. At one time there were two sellers on the forum who were seeking sponsorship for their Panty Trust verification, and I messaged them sharing that …all that they needed was a webcam. Well, admin was looking at me closely and banned me for spamming when I was trying to empower others.

Panty Hog: Do I Know You, PK?

THEN, not knowing Panty Hog (Used Panty Portal) was owned by the same people as pantyrust.com and myusedpantystore.com, I tried signing up as a member there. I was fiddling around with my Panty Hog profile and I selected something about reciprocal links, which I knew nothing about at the time (there were none on my site). After having been on there for only 45 minutes, I get an e-mail from Panty Hog Administrator “Panty King” (PK) stating that my account had been deleted because there was no reciprocal link on my site….and something about me being a liar… That confused me. So far as I knew at that time I had just met the person.

So, why all of the Banter Now, After Two Years?

I have seen a lot happen on the web in regards to this entity. What initiated this post was not my own experience with them–but witnessing one event in particular: the (self-proclaimed Queen-of-Effing-Everything) Serena of Serenassecret.net laying into a newbie, so viciously, …

…for naming her panty page a “Boutique” (as Serena had on serenassecret.net) and posting a picture on her blog which read “better than panty trust verified.” Those were Chloe’s crimes. Serena continued to verbally ream her, posted her IP. This is how I first became aware of Serena. Someone (part of the Gladiator game crowd?) retweeted her boastful blurb about how Chloe was “no more.”

That’s a lovely show of character, yes?…middle finger-flinging, My Used Panty Store Manager, Panty Hog Columnist, Panty Trust Board Director– basically a minion for the entity which boasts their commitment to TRANSPARENCY (!), SAFETY, INTEGRITY, FAIR BUSINESS PRACTICE, PEER ASSISTANCE, “The Best…” “Most Enjoyable…”

…rainbows, butterflies, awwww….

This Utopian Empire, in my experience and observations, plays so disturbingly heavily on human emotion to satisfy their need for power…and money–in a variety of ways. They’ve been around awile

I like Panty Trust’s quotes the best–especially when they are isolated from the rest of their propaganda.

“When you purchase from a seller who is not Panty Trust Verified, there is a 50% chance that you are dealing with a…(dark, glo-o-o-o-o-my music)fraud.”

That, and other propaganda, …is probably geared primarily toward sellers, who pretty much give Panty Trust consent to govern them by becoming a member.

These happenings made me realize that ladies might benefit from having another voice on the scene, and I launched my Used Panty Selling Advice website, in November of 2010. It was developed with the intent of it being a service to the entire used panty selling industry, but without any attempt to manipulate people into a select ‘community’ within it–to promote liberation.

Serena took that personally.

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2011 update: Panty Trust Board Director Posts My Name, Manager Bill INVITES ME TO JOIN, Adds Me to the ‘Banned People’ List
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Please bear in mind that this is about the time that Serena transformed into a ‘Domme’–or a “Madame.” Yes, she had been selling used panties for five years before she picked up her needles, black costumes, and dark make up. The only reason that this really matters is that…she seems to indicate every so often that she’s been one since she made her debut online in 2006.

The dawn of 2011 brought Serena’s illegal use of personal information obtained during my Panty Trust verification process. It was a result of Bill, Panty Trust Manager, e-mailing me in attempt to ‘mediate’ a situation that was “getting out of control” that I learned Serena had posted my name on one of a few bashing blog that’s reserved only for those who seem to be the biggest threat to Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog. The site’s been online since 2006.

So, Bill, within many e-mail exchanges back and forth, was basically trying to muscle me into deleting things that I had written, this post, in exchange for the consortium deleting things such as the post where Serena posted my personal information. He also explained that in order for Serena to face any consequences, ‘someone’ (?) would have to bring the issue to the Panty Trust Board in order to address it, and any action taken would have to be voted upon.

At some point in the conversation, I was invited to join Panty Trust. I know, it’s…whacky in a way. But, there were likely other motives in he midst of this heated conversation. It ended when did not cave into all of Bill’s requests (it came down to deleting this post), which sent him stomping off …”you must be happy with the status quo.” No, I am just not…needing to be told what the (bleep) to do, STILL.

My energy, site, essence, will never be used to serve Panty Trust’s interests.

This was not the only time that they have gone so far as to use the leverage of delving into someone’s personal life in attempt to make them DOCILE.

This was not the only time that they have tried to envelope and utilize for their own purposes what they view to be competition worth exploiting, with a little forceful manipulation.

In the earlier months of the year, literally dozens of spam sites cropped up on the internet. Most had url’s and content relating to the term ‘used panty selling advice’–linking to Panty Hog, Panty Trust, and My Used Panty Store–while reporting UsedPantiesSellingAdvice.com was run by a scammer–a copycat.

Other odd sites cropped up, some are still online in some form. BestUsedPanties.net (there was a duplicate .co.cc version), Panty Wiki, Panty Life, to name a few. They too somehow seemed to be shrouded with information and links to…, you guessed it….

Now, of course, I am not saying that Panty Trust, My Used Panty Store, and Panty Hog had anything to do with this. It’s a mystery. If anyone wants to help solve it, I have …probably hundreds of screenshots to share with you.

In July, Serena announced a farewell to the panty fetish scene, seeming to leave behind her panty site which featured the reporting of alleged scams, liars, frauds–all of those nasty things–and retirement from being My Used Panty Store Manager, Panty Hog Columnist, Panty Trust Board Director. All of the tasks that she’d been responsible for were divided up amongst a newly-devised volunteer group, many of which were new to the scene themselves.

Before she left, though, she made sure to motion as the Panty Trust Board Director for members to not be allowed to exchange links with me, or really communicate with me whatsoever. This was made public for members to vote against, and when there was no opposition her proposal, it became part of their codes of conduct.

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2012 update: Serena Returns, Panty Trust Recruits Sellers, Claims They are Taking Legal Action
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Things were calm for quite a while, then…the same old shenanigans started happening again. Another thing that they like to threaten with or use as leverage is anything involving the word “legal.” Oddly, Serena, a panty seller, said many times that she had a “legal team.”

If you a re interested in reading an entire story on this, then see the Panty Trust Recruiting and Legal Action post.

It does make sense, though, that Serena would move for Panty Trust sellers not to be able to link to me before she, ahem, left.

Yup, sellers who might be thinking of becoming Panty Trust verified, they feel obligated (for safety and protection, moral and ethical purposes, of course) to tell you what you can do on your own site–all with “your best interests in mind.” They will also tell you who you cannot have buy from you.

It would also make sense for Serena to stick around in the background (tweak a site or two (or, gosh, how many?), do a tweet or two…), while efforts are being made for Panty Trust to look more like a 100% volunteer (plural) run organization–for other sellers to take the stage, and for the thought of there actually being leaders (and legal owners) to dissipate. After all, wise (and often effective) rulers…don’t let people know that they are being led. Most notably, it would behoove them to make me look like an enemy of the newly-formed volunteer group by being so outspoken against the entity,…

for Panty Trust sellers (especially the newly-formed group of hard-working volunteers) to take what I say about the ADMINISTRATIVE CHARADE personally,….

All of the new volunteers were female. A new seller was outwardly allocated the task of receiving worn items, most notably. Where did the men, such as Sean and Bill, go?

Serena also officially announced that she was back as a Panty Trust volunteer, offering her skills at mediation and conflict/resolution sorts of things.

Recent developments: Panty Trust Birthday and…Rejoicing

Panty King decided to blog on Panty Hog a wee bit about how the three sites were not affiliated, most notably Panty Trust and My Used Panty Store because WOW could that be seen as a conflict of interest. But, then, things got thrown out there like this:

Oopsie!

Panty Trust, Panty Hog, and My Used Panty Store Admin., you folks make it all look so pretty, I do have to admit. In a way I admire the work, time and thought that you’ve put into this, the strategies used–very calculated.

I suppose, for now, that the end of the review is this: everyone has the right to go wherever they want (well, unless they get Panty Trust verified) and promote whatever cause they desire (well, unless they are Panty Trust verified) but shady administrative tactics have been going on for years–mostly behind the scenes and from multiple conjured-up blog authors and other characters. Some know what’s going on, but choose to ignore it so as not to go against the status quo, or just don’t relate it to the group of sweet (mostly new, unsuspecting) gals that they have become close to, and supported by. The dirty work mostly gets done in the background while the unsuspecting feed into the system–some of which are going so far as to devote their energy, image, and time to promoting/supporting and recruiting for a tyrannical system of suppression and containment.

That really is similar to…other worldly happenings.